[+++UPDATE2/6+++] Gaon has just released the numbers for the month in question that will hopefully settle some of the ongoing debates and speculations, thanks to a few readers who brought it up.
As provided in the screencaps below, CNBLUE's album sales on Hanteo clock in at 75,3xx units, while on Gaon, they clock in at 95,949 units. By the formula, they are right on the Gaon > Hanteo scale and so there should be no reason for further speculation of buybacks.
There has been no Pann post on it updating netizens of the numbers (and I don't really expect there to be one since netizens never cover their tracks) but I'll look around for anything else that might clarify the matter further. I've already seen several CNBLUE articles where the top netizen comments (less than +50) were accusing them of buybacks so I suppose the damage is already done to some extent.
This is an older Pann post that tries to debunk the buyback speculations that I'll include:
"People seem to think that CNBLUE doesn't have any fans because their fancafe is a ghost town but they have a lot of adult fans who are active in other communities like the CNBLUE Gallery and Jung Yonghwa Gallery.
FNC is also busy promoting their rookies so they don't have the money to be throwing around on buybacks for CNBLUE. What would you expect from a company who drops $10 million on building a non-needed house. Do you guys even know what kind of CEO Han Sung Ho is?
Our fandom is also not weak when it comes to international fans. At their last concert, fans were surrounded by Japanese fans. A lot of Korean fans were left behind crying because they couldn't grab tickets."
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Reader request. The way this was organized was too confusing to just do a direct translation of so sorry that I chose to summarize it instead.
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Pann: CNBLUE's album buyback eventually revealed [2]
What the Pann basically states is that there are three points of suspicion with CNBLUE's recent sales that are leading to the conclusion that FNC Entertainment bought back their albums. I double checked all of this on Hanteo because there were a few wrong examples given that I'll elaborate on later.
1. Hanteo resets daily sales for all artists every day at around 10 a.m. Hanteo users and other fandoms noticed that CNBLUE started every single day off at 500 sales already made while every other artist started at the expected 0. This is impossible unless 500 fans were waiting outside record stores and buying CNBLUE's CD at the exact moment Hanteo resets.
2. Album sales normally drop over the weekend, specifically on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. CNBLUE did not drop and also managed to sell 3,000 on each of those three days while other artists dropped and barely hit 1,000. The following week, they sold 80 albums.
3. Fans and netizens claiming that this was a buyback all decided to wait for the Gaon chart to 'test the truth', so to speak. Judging by their Hanteo sales that week, CNBLUE should have been ahead of SNSD since they tripled them in sales, but the Gaon chart showed SNSD at #1 over CNBLUE.
This raises red flags because your results on Gaon should always be greater/better than your results on Hanteo (this is where all buyback controversies start).
Think of Gaon as like a test. Gaon puts out a test saying you can only earn up to 100 points. Hanteo is your score on the test. You can earn 80, 90, or even a 100, but what happens when you earn 110? It's impossible, and that's what happened with CNBLUE.
FNC Entertainment allegedly bought back their albums to have the sales count on Hanteo and then returned them after the numbers were put up on Hanteo (Hanteo counts every single album that went out that day, whether or not they were later returned). Gaon only counts the total number of actual albums sold, so the buyback boost would not be reflected in their score.
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| The source copy only showed the first couple numbers so the totals are rounded/estimated. |
Following the formula that your results on Gaon should be greater than your results on Hanteo, CNBLUE failed the formula because Hanteo shows them as having 26,800 copies sold and yet on Gaon, they didn't manage to beat SNSD, who only sold 10,300 copies the same week on Hanteo.
That means 16,500 copies of CNBLUE's albums are in limbo.
Fans tried to shield this saying that there were 100,000 preorders made on the album, but considering that CNBLUE only sold up to 70,000 copies their first two weeks (which also included two fan signings), that still leaves 30,000 copies in limbo.
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1. [+220, -106] I knew this was happening ㅋㅋㅋㅋ They sold way too many albums compared to the actual size of their fandom ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Look at the fans trying to shield this. When every other artist started the day at 0, CNBLUE started at 500 every. single. day. TVXQ, Big Bang, and SNSD all have trouble selling over 1,000 over the weekend but how does CNBLUE manage to hit the 3,000 ceiling? And the excuse that you have many international fans buying albums doesn't make sense because that's basically saying TVXQ, SNSD, and Super Junior don't have has many international fans as CNBLUE ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
2. [+204, -91] ㅋㅋㅋ I don't even know what to say because it's just so obvious. How are fans going to explain the group selling 3,000 each day for a week and then suddenly dropping to 80 after they win #1 on Music Bank? There's no room for excuse once you're caught by Gaon. 4minute and other girl groups that got caught over this were even in the news. Don't think of shielding this when this is more obvious than what they tried to pull.
3. [+169, -86] CNBLUE fans seem to think that preorders mean actual sales but just because there were 100,000 preorders doesn't mean that many were actually sold. There could be 100,000 preorders but not one actual sale, if you see what I mean.
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"As a BOICE, I can say that both CNBLUE and our fandom see no pride in winning #1 through buybacks and broadcast points."
"INFINITE, Jaejoong, and SNSD fandoms were already aware of this going on because they were tracking the numbers right with them."
"The fact that they were at a 500 lead at reset is suspicious enough."
"Don't hate on CNBLUE, hate their company. I saw them start at 500 every morning, and unless they have some crazy fan buying 500 copies of one album every day, they need to come out and show their receipts right now."
"Considering that CNBLUE's song is better than SNSD's, I really can't hate on them for buying back their albums."
"Even if they won through buybacks, this #1 makes more sense than that stupid SM song winning #1."
"It sucks that F.T. Island has to sell their own albums through their skills while CNBLUE gets the full support of their company, fu*k.."
"CNBLUE has no fault in this, they're completely at the mercy of their company. What kind of a group would want to buy back an album that they composed themselves? Obviously the higher ups weren't satisfied with their progress and started getting greedy."
"FNC seems to have more money than they're letting on. Juniel's song was played on Gentleman's Class all the time."
"It's 100% a buyback because once you break the Gaon>Hanteo formula, you really have no way of explaining the difference. B2ST was in the same boat last year. Fans denied that the company was buying back albums but once the Gaon and Hanteo chart comparisons came out, they all had to shut up."
"I don't get why fans are saying CNBLUE has more Japanese fans than Korean. If that's the case, then SNSD has more Japanese, American, Chinese, Thai, etc fans all over the world and yet CNBLUE sold more than them?"
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I'm kinda sad now. This is really bad to their image, but... "Even if they won through buybacks, this #1 makes more sense than that stupid SM song winning #1." LOL
ReplyDeletehow embarrassing for cn blue >.>
ReplyDeleteThey need to learn from SM how to do it right
ReplyDeleteSm doesn't buyback albums. They have no reason to do that.
Deleteseriously..?
ReplyDeleteall that just to win #1 on music bank..
did b2st really had their albums bought back? they seem to have a huge fandom in south korea, so I don't see why they had to ...
ReplyDeleteIt seems, but they're not.
Deleteawkward.....
ReplyDeletei just miss FNC taking good care of f.t island. i miss them :(
Not a CNBlue fan but isn't their song doing really well digitally too? Though it's pushed down a few notches now because of Leesang, Huh Gak and Baechigi. So does that mean the company has been manipulating the digital charts as well because wasn't there an issue about Brave Brothers doing that a couple of months ago? How does one even manipulate a digital chart?
ReplyDeleteI'm asking this because the digital chart points count for a huge portion of the calculation for winning in weekly programs.
Some are saying their digital score is weird.too but they always do well digitally.
DeleteI guess they were scared cn blue wouldn't win against sistar too. So sad LOL
ReplyDeleteWow FNC, just wow! why can't they let cnblue won fair?
ReplyDeleteI'm so embarrassed as a boice :( I thought FNC letting them come out with a self composed title track means that they value creativity more than the other companies but then they had to do this and ruin their image. I was just praising how their company actually seem to care about them as artists... I'm so upset now. I rather have them not win a single music show.
ReplyDeleteif CNBlue's company waited for 1 week more and did all this buyback things, they wouldn't have been caught.
ReplyDeleteThey messed with the wrong fandoms.
B2ST did buyback for their 5th minialbum :O
ReplyDeleteCube spends a lot on buybacks and awards. Melon awards prove that.
ReplyDeletetheir fandom is not big enough to pull off something like that. hence the buybacks.
ReplyDeleteI thought FNC was better than that.
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly is bulk buying? Is it considered buying more than one album or is it like buying a case of albums?
ReplyDeleteI thought buyback is common in kpop korea?
ReplyDeletecould this scandal make a news in korea portals? i men not only on pann nate. i hope...
ReplyDeletecoz its kinda unfair for snsd, and its really embrassing for snsd who lost from cnblue at mubank, then this scandal just came out, so yeah...
lol sm fandoms are just really big (sj is a prime example), i highly doubt that fans can be so organized and work in such a way without screwing up; it's very unrealistic. sure it could happen (with ANY of the big 3 companies fyi, not just SM) but it wouldn't impact the sales by the tens of thousands...
ReplyDeleteHOW TACKY
ReplyDelete"It sucks that F.T. Island has to sell their own albums through their
ReplyDeleteskills while CNBLUE gets the full support of their company, fu*k.."
I agree
Damn, I'm embarassed for them :(
ReplyDeleteWell, their management - CNBLUE really has no say on how this kind of thing comes about.
4minute's entire career here
ReplyDelete"Considering that CNBLUE's song is better than SNSD's, I really can't hate on them for buying back their albums."
ReplyDelete"Even if they won through buybacks, this #1 makes more sense than that stupid SM song winning #1."
THIS AND THIS..........
Haters Gonna Hate...
ReplyDeleteThey are not the only one, 4minute been doing that since their Mirror mirror comeback.
ReplyDeletehaters has no life, they cant even accept the fact their idols (their idols company) doing wrong
ReplyDeleteThis is sad, im sure they could have won without the buyback though? This just discredits their #1
ReplyDeletehow come jaejoong's album shows that it sold over 30,000 on Hanteo when SNSD only sold 10,000 and still beat Jaejoong??
ReplyDeletecuz it's Gaon not Hanteo
DeleteCnblue double SNSD points in Music Bank so even without this they still would have won.
ReplyDeleteWhy people jealous of cnblue to release such hurting remarks?
ReplyDeleteI guess it's a Cube thing since it's not just Beast but also 4minute sales they like to stain, FNC is joining them.
ReplyDeleteNow it looks like their company don't believe in them enough to sell their albums by themselves. Not the band's fault but the company's. I feel bad for the other groups who released albums at the same time but didn't rise up in the charts because they didn't cheat.
ReplyDeleteSadly because SM is still pressuring the entertainment industry to forever exile JYJ even tho they won the lawsuit
ReplyDeletei'm so shock to know this..i'm not a hardcore fan,but i thought midnight album did pretty good..i love midnight song tho..what a shock..
ReplyDeleteI don't think CNBLUE would want to buy back their albums, I don't think they're the sort of ppl to do that.. Maybe the company doesn't trust CNBLUE enough to sell their compositions
ReplyDeletedouble points because of broadcast points, broadcast points weird too, 9k is impossible to what they got in mubank
ReplyDeletemubank just stupid to put broadcast points on their score system, you dont need to selling a lot of albums, what you only need to win on mubank is appears as much as you can on kbs channel, this is totally suck. this what actually happen on cnblue last winning in mubank.
I get what you are saying but cnblue still would've won without those points cause of the vast difference in scores. Due to digital sales and broadcasting points
ReplyDeleteI think it has to do more with the timing than just the sheer number of albums. Segments of a fandom could opt to bulk buy during a specific week (or weeks), just so they can spread out album points for the maximum number of K-Chart wins.
ReplyDeleteSince it's on nate pann is it spreading to news site, or any articles written about this? Also Netizenbuzz, I have always been curious if 4minute's buy backs were this spotlighted too because they were also accused of buying back their albums of Volume Up. From international fans, I remember reading it in a k-pop forum but I wonder if the korean netizens also widely know about this.
ReplyDeleteWell, that's sad. i wonder how the guys feel about this, i mean seen how happy was SNSD for them lol
ReplyDeleteTheir digital 2nd week and SNSD's digital 4th week were pretty similar, especially when SNSD has Nate's ringtone to their side too.
ReplyDeletewhat!?? oh please spare me the JYJ-victim mentality their stans are so obsessed with! as if SM has the time to waste on 3 has-beens!
ReplyDeletehe was NOT even in the TOP 5! if they are truly cockblocking JYJ on the charts then why didnt they bother do that with Junsu's solo album too or JYJ's previous album In Heaven??
oh wait becuz Junsu is actually popular and sold that much!
but if i'm not wrong did SM also did the same things like this too?
ReplyDeletehmm...anyway, I like Kim jaejoong "Mine" more lol
ikr?..and midnight sun album seem pretty good to me...their music also improved a lot...TT
ReplyDeleteWhy FNC? Why??!
ReplyDeleteWhy are my favourite companies disappointing me so much lately? YG, Stardom and now FNC...smh
It was JYP's 2PM I believe...
ReplyDeletethe only difference between this and what other big companies do is that big companies can afford to not return the albums because it'll turn into net earnings later on, so it's just another expense. they burn them, bury them in a landfield, sell them on ebay. or something.
ReplyDeletenope. SM has never done that ever before. SM is actually the one company no one in Korea would ever accuse of such behaviour becuz everyone is aware of how MASSIVE SM's fandoms are and how many albums they buy. SM doesnt need to waste time on such childish tricks. even SM's biggest netizen haters would tell u that they are innocent when it comes to such things
ReplyDeleteBoth. Members of a certain fansite will place all their orders together to buy the album and also they buy extra albums. But the extra albums are usually bought nearer the awards ceremonies. Bulk buying is good for several reasons. One, the admins can control when to buy the albums so that there won't be a particular surge in album sales on a certain day and no sales the next day. Also, for certain fandoms, the other purpose for bulk buying is for fansite admins to help keep track of the album sales for tracking against Hanteo nearer the awards ceremonies.
ReplyDeletelol.
ReplyDeletethere shouldn't be broadcasting points. I think it shouldn't matter when determining the overall popular of a song in the country. But they use it to force idol groups to come on their programs which is sad.
ReplyDeleteForget it sowon, SNSD's 2nd Japan tour is coming, be ready for it, I'm so excited >w<
ReplyDeleteI find SM is very business oriented. They create the group to make money for them. If the group isn't profitable somewhere, somehow (SNSD in Kor + Asia, Suju in China + Asia, etc), they won't spend time on you (the Grace).
ReplyDeletewow that's kind of low, FNC.
ReplyDeleteJungshin's drama airs in KBS and it hit's 50% rating every weekend...last week it hit it's highest point with 56% on a sunday plus they were guest on many shows in KBS last week.
ReplyDeleteyeah but a lot of their other points were fabricated too
ReplyDeleteRuby LOL the crazy homin stans again... why you care so much about JYJ or JJ??? worried so much about JJ sales??? LOL this is pathetic ..you are the only one playing the victim "we homin stans don´t care JYJ" LOL
ReplyDeleteSee yourself LOL
because they sold more internationally
ReplyDeleteif SM did the same netizens would had already found out
ReplyDeleteBulk buying and buying back are totally different things. What you are most familiar with hearing is probably bulk buying which is fans buying bulks of albums to boost up the sales.
ReplyDeleteNow that may be shameful but it's not illegal or whatnot because it's the fans money that is helping the sales.
However buying back, is the company buying back the albums for the sales now that is illegal. It may seem dumb as the company is losing money buying back the albums but the company think of it as a long investment in hopes that the buybacks will boost up sales and help them win awards creating the illusion that they are popular to attract endorsement deals, variety appearances etc where the real money comes from because honestly the Korean music market is so dirt poor. A song is like a cent digitally, artists don't earn money solely through their music sales.
Yeah SM doesn't have to resort to such childish tricks, the fans will do it for them
ReplyDeleteMaybe I'm missing something but according to the last chart, if we assume FNC is buybacking 3000 albums every week, doesn't that mean that CN Blue sold exactly zero albums in the last three weeks, other than the buybacks? That seems extremely unlikely...
ReplyDeleteFNC is part of MNet Media which is a subsidiary of CJ Group, one of the biggest companies in South Korea. FNC isn't part of the big three, but they have a lot of money and power behind them.
ReplyDeletesm has no power over gaon and junsu/jyj have charted with no problems
ReplyDeleteSounds complicated.
ReplyDeleteIt's such a shame for FNC not to believe in such a talented group of artists like CNBlue. I feel so bad for all the hard work done by JYH and members. It was uncalled for and totally unnecessary. I really liked the songs specially "I am sorry"
ReplyDeletecnblue sold digitally well and even higher than snsd on charts for these two weeks, but why fnc must did this for them? FNC did you spend your money for your building? and for broadcast point >> 9000, it's becuse cnblue had so many kbs programs, other groups also ever reached >>9000 points in mubank.. i still support you cnblue, at least gaon speak the truth so ... i don't care, i just wanna say if it's true FNC please give your respect for your artist,,
ReplyDeleteI know there were articles written about their buy back, but that's it. I hope NB will shed some insight. Maybe collect all the buy back controversies in one post?
ReplyDeleteit looks like FNC only care and support CNblue. why they don't bulk buy for FT Island too?
ReplyDeleteTHAT TRUE,,,,SNSD goodbye stage yesterday,,,
ReplyDeleteah, interesting. I did not know they were part of CJ Group, then it's even more embarrasing. don't really know why they would be so sloppy with this
ReplyDeleteWe believe in you even if your agency does not. We love your album.
ReplyDeletesome people seem to think that their digital trend is weird. I don't want to believe it because cn blue always have pretty good digital sales without the manipulation but it seems their company is trying real hard
ReplyDeletehow is it embarrassing for snsd? it's only embarrassing for people who think they need to win 9 times with every song.
ReplyDeletebulk buying is more common
ReplyDeleteoh really hmm..but somehow i think it's depends with how powerful and profesional this company do bulk buying things lol anyway i don't care, being a no.1 in music show or chart is not an important things anymore coz yeah...life is not fair..to many fake things happened now lol just enjoy the songs.
ReplyDeleteFTisland is a nugu idol band.
ReplyDeleteIt's made CUBE into a major player though
ReplyDeleteunfortunately they did.
ReplyDeletethis is about music chart not drama chart.
ReplyDeletelol, why did you bring drama ratings for this?
ratings for My Daughter Seo Young is 44 n 42%. not 50%.
i think you're a little confused. bulk buying =/= buying back. bulk buying is when fandoms coordinate buying albums. buying back is when companies purchase their own albums in order to inflate chart rankings.
ReplyDeletebulk buying = fans getting together to make a large purchase
ReplyDeletebuybacks = the company buying albums so their group can look successful and then return the albums to get their money back. the number won't change
sm doesn't need to buyback albums because their fandoms are insane
B2ST is garbage. you never would see snsd or big bang pulling stunts like this. b2st does not deserve to be in the top10
ReplyDeletewow, they sound like saseang fans ratter then netizen, how could they now all those things,scary..
ReplyDeleteIt's really FNC's fault though. CNBLUE could have still won this week's Music Bank w/o the album sale column (for their broadcast point is almost double that of SNSD even though SNSD appeared on KBS just as much as CNBLUE *eye sizing Music Bank) and I'm speaking this as a Sone. So yeah, CNBLUE's #1 win is still not discredited at all because they deserved it.
ReplyDeleteNothing in SK entertainment industry surprises me anymore.
ReplyDeleteI still like CNBlue.
getting #1 mean alot of CF deal, broadcast, news about them winning.. so more cf deal more moneyy. this also happen when Mblaq promoting this is was, they should have won, buttt dungdung other comp won.. its so common i thing
ReplyDeleteIt's embarrassing, but they did. They did this Hanteo/Gaon thing and BEAST was caught. I don't know why Cube did it tho. Their sales weren't as great as Fiction and Fact was, but it's not like it was this bad. I think Cube is just greedy. They've been doing it with 4minute too and there were other things too.
ReplyDelete3 has-beens! omg lmao I get you're pressed but don't be delusional
ReplyDeleteI remember 4minute first started being accused of buy backs with Mirror Mirror when they went against f(x) Pinocchio back in 2011. F(x) fans wre mad at them cheating the win and apparently 4nia were also mad at Cube for doing that and voiced it out. But they had to made it even more obvious with Volume Up. There's a discrepancy with their Hanteo and Gaon sales, their Hanteo sales are larger than Gaon which should be impossible that it aroused buyback accusations.
ReplyDeleteah thanks, so it's different lol wtf people call that unfair things
ReplyDeletewhatever happen..i feel sorry for yonghwa..he composed the album right?...btw i'm not even a fan..it's must be hard coz he composed the album.
ReplyDeleteBut yea to the haters out there: You can hate IGAB as much as you want but it's the #1 downloaded ringtone of January and triumphed at #1 on GAON's digital chart so yeah. :} I figured out netizens' comments on a song's popularity doesn't reflect that much on its actual popularity. lol
ReplyDeletewhoops...cnblue and beast tsk tsk
ReplyDeletepretty sure cube as a whole does alot of shady stuff
ReplyDeleteHow embarrassing....
ReplyDeleteand it's only embarrassing for the winner because they did bulk buying back
ReplyDeleteI want to know why their company is doing this all of a sudden? It's obvious they have been caught but cn blue do fine without their "help". Ft island could use that help instead :(
ReplyDeleteI would support that lol
No, not zero album. The 3000 figure is just a round up number meaning BOICE could have bought like 999 copies (usually any artist would sell around hundred copies on weekends) and it would still come out as 3xxx because the last 3 numbers are censored.
ReplyDeleteBulk buying is different from buyback. Overseas fanclubs organise bulk buy to reduce shipping cost, and buyback is when their companies buy the album and returns them
ReplyDeleteno... there is no other group reached 9000 points beside psy...
ReplyDeletethe highest snsd bp for this promotion is 5000.. after they're appear on so many variety show even KBS news 9 (for billboard chart thingy)..
so no wonder people talk about BP.. it's just unreasonable...
but it's kbs fault though... they're so stupid...
thousands of CN blue fans bulk buy the album, FNC didn't have to 'buyback' CNblue albums, that's a very cheap move from the company.
ReplyDeleteLOL CNBLUE GAON SOLD STILL > Hanteo, Lame excused, people who dont check gaon may believe this
ReplyDeletePretty similar? CNBLUE had more than 23M digital aggrgate in Gaon last week, SNSD had 15M digital aggregate. That's not pretty similar to me. As for Nate, CNBLUE topped Nate Ringtone last week, only song that was able to make SNSD IGAB go down to #2 since release.
ReplyDeleteWhenever jyj is mentioned on this site everything turns to shit. NB should have banned anything JYJ related.
ReplyDeletesment can careless about buying back their artistes albums. their artistes can release a shit song like barney's "i love you" and their fandoms will still buy that shit.
ReplyDeletebut...shit's on you now FNC lmfao.
manipulating their way into the top... how sad..
ReplyDeleteWhat's surprising when they have been buying back Melon daesang for Beast for 2 consecutive years now. Also the buybacks of 4minute albums. A shady ass company housing shit artists, what to expect.
ReplyDeleteWTF srly?!
ReplyDeletemore and more small and medium companies are doing this.. Cnlbue, Beast, 4minutes, sistar companies should trust more in their idols...
now now, B2ST is good, cube just needs to believe in them
ReplyDeleteUhm not really. CNBLUE ranked in #2 after SNSD the last time I checked which is a minute ago.
ReplyDeleteCNBLUE would still have won with their digital points and broadcast points. Album sales are just 10% of the scores.
ReplyDeleteNo one buys exactly 500 albums everyday when the shops open.
ReplyDeleteWell K-sones actually managed to spread all this, after CNBLUE won they were spreading the link of this pann as if it was a CNBLUE fancam so it would get more views. If this is true i'm truly dissapointed in FNC, how they managed to taint with their greediness and stupidity the clean image CNBLUE always keeps. As a Boice i believe they wouldn't even want to win after this, they keep telling boice not to worry if they don't win because to them preforming live on this comeback is the best for them.
ReplyDeleteCNBLUE won mainly because of digital points and broadcast points. Nothing to do with album sales.
ReplyDeleteSo does this make Cube the Lance Armstrong of album sales
ReplyDeleteBecause that accounts for broadcast points which is counted in calculating who wins #1 in MuBank.
ReplyDeleteyeah just like SM and plus..NB should stop mention anything JYJ related too.
ReplyDeleteI don't really understand the chart ranking system, but if this really happened, i feel embarrassed for them.
ReplyDeleteI personally don't mind if they're not no.1 as long as they do well themselves.
Ugh, fnc is so disappointing. Cnblue must be disappointed as well.
Anyway, I still love cnblue.
sm is not all powerful. jyj would still be in this situation if sm stopped persecuting them. the entire industry has an interest in making sure jyj don't succeed. if another celebrities saw jyj succeeded after suing their company, they might choose to do the same. that's why kks spoke out against kara when they sued dsp.
ReplyDeleteyupp, a very suspicious broadcast points...
ReplyDeleteIt's unfortunate that there are parties on both sides of that fence who make it nearly impossible for anyone with a reasonable and/or valid opinion to post comments.
ReplyDeleteSNSD won over CNBLUE in Mubank last week basically because of broacast points too bec CNBLUE had O because its their first week on the chart. CNBLUE got huge broadcast points because they appeared in alot of KBS shows and was on news almost everyday. Basically, it's about media attention.
ReplyDeletethe grace :(
ReplyDeleteWhich points? CNBLUE had better digital sales last week than SNSD and digital is huge part of total score. Geez.
ReplyDeletethen where is Jaejong? CJes is buyback? how you will explain 10cm and Jangkiha who also have bigger sale on hanteo then gaon in 2011, indie band like that do you believe they buyback? Kim dongryul, lee seung gi, Jaypark then all of them is buyback too...
ReplyDeletelet me get this straight, so to win on Music Bank, a member of an idol group need to have a high rating drama? Fcuk off... this is music we're talking about, not acting.
ReplyDeleteBecause Jaejoong's album sold 30,000 on hanteo only while the number is probably lower in Gaon. SNSD sold only 10,000 this week in Hanteo but their Gaon's number is higher.
ReplyDeleteno 2AM ever got >> 9000 points.. in 2012.. if I'm not wrong, cnblue in so many KBS programs last weeks, I'm a boice so i know that, and KBS use cnblue's songs in their program frequently, how can u say kbs unreasonable? and i'm more happy lose to snsd if i know they will got so many problems, at least I'm sorry sold more digitally in these past two weeks so public love their songs too, btw i won't say anything again, bye
ReplyDeleteBut the difference in BEAST's numbers is not that big to conclude that their career is fake.
ReplyDelete2AM and Sistar had 9000 + points for broadcast too last year.
ReplyDeletecnblue don't really have a clean image since their debut song had a plagiarism controversy
ReplyDeleteWhat did YG do?
ReplyDeletePlease. This is the first time this happened because CNBLUE is going up against huge groups. But if yoy check CNBLUE's figures since debut both physical and digital. The figures aren't surprising. They have always done well in both digital and physical. Careful of your usage of the word "fake"
ReplyDeleteikr? FT island is also a FNC band, if only FNC try harder in making FT #1 T__T
ReplyDeletebtw for people who don't know
"Bulk buying is different from buyback. Overseas fanclubs organise bulk buy to reduce shipping cost, and buyback is when their companies buy the album and returns them"
He's definitely the ultimate victim here.
ReplyDeleteI didn't know 2AM made a comeback last year...?
ReplyDeleteTheir Volume Up Album sales were so suspicious smh
ReplyDeleteCorrection:
ReplyDeleteJaejoong not in the Top 5 is weird. This is not SM's doing but rather something must have gone amiss with information reporting. He sold almost 63,000 the first week on Hanteo and over 30,000 the second week. Oricon is showing him selling around 20,000; so reports saying that his minis are in short supply because his first batch of 120,000 is all sold could be true. But we shall see when the Gaon monthly chart comes out.
Junsu is the most popular in Korea, but Jaejoong is more popular internationally. So as of now, if the numbers are accurate, Jaejoong is on pace to sell more than Junsu.
I'm disappointed with Lance Armstrong... :(
ReplyDeleteYou are probably looking at the digital numbers. CNBLue's digital is higher but their physical is lower. The buttons at the top stands for digital, streaming, mobile, backgrounds, download, physical, karaoke and yearly chart. Try pressing the 6th one, that is were the physical sales chart is.
ReplyDeleteNetizenbuzz should make a post of all the idol groups caught with buybacks since there are a handful that were caught, 4minute, Beast, Teen Top, Brave Girls, Rainbow etc
ReplyDeletehas there ever been proof of this?
ReplyDeleteIf their song is really that good, they wont need to buy back their albums to win. Js.
ReplyDeletethey had almost double the amount of points than snsd so they would have won anyways. the company is basically killing their credibility and image
ReplyDeleteStop that right now. U r just haters.. Cnblue song was just so good on it's on to win.. I even was singing it while i'm sleeping it's so awesome song... U can't blame Cnblue if the fnc did something wrong.. They don't deserve this stop this crap.. I'm a boice and i will always be.. And. SNSD's song isn't that cool to not expecting lose for it.. I'm sorry was much better that it.!!!
ReplyDeleteso why cnblue started 500 album sales already made while other 0 as expected?
ReplyDeleteIt counts as broadcast points, drama rating counts, Gag concert which has one of the highest ratings also counts plus other programs where they where guests.
ReplyDeleteYou're missing the point here. Any sane person should know that without the album sale column CNBLUE could have still won this week's Music Bank over SNSD. Np question on that.
ReplyDeleteThe whole point of this post is to point out companies' cheap tactics at buying back their artists' own album and the center of it is FNC - CNBlue's company so I don't really get why's there a need for you to defend FNC. No one is bashing CNBlue here. I only see people bashing SONE lol
Gaon numbers = number of albums purchased by stores subtracted by the number of albums that are returned.
ReplyDeleteFor Jaejoong's second week, none of the stores purchased more albums because there was no more stock. CJeS had to order more albums to be made and that takes time because they use A&G Modes which is a smaller company.
And let's just clear the air here: you're trying to cast shade and suspicion on Jaejoong's album sales but before you do so, please consider how some Korean Sones would love to do the same but instead they focused on CN Blue because they actually have proof against them. For Jaejoong, if they had similar proofs, do you think they would hold back? The lack of such evidence being passed around should have already clued you in.
their company didn't believe in them. they would've won music bank over snsd without the buying back because they had almost double the amount of points than snsd
ReplyDeletei don't care !!! kkk, at least cnblue won over them snsd in these past two weeks ! for mubank score use their new score, and i don't care if they don't touch melon's ceiling what i care is cnblue use their own song, self compose song!! and they playe live for two weeks in music show, they make new history for mushow in korea, btw this is really my last statement, kkk
ReplyDeleteI feel really embarrassed for CNBLUE.
ReplyDeleteTheir company is really something.
First they pretty much force CNBLUE to CONTINUE to work with a composer who put them under the whole plagiarism scandal and now they do this to them.
They can succeed on their own, FNC is only hurting themselves and CNBLUE.
press is have credibility nate pann is like a yahoo answer this is people statement without fact not in official article, except kpop buthurt fans no one will know this
ReplyDeleteDon't know why people get into talking about Music Bank and broadcast points and missing out on the point of this article: companies buy back albums, a self composed title track.
ReplyDeleteThe saddest thing about that was the people who said he had doped; got their careers finished, because Lance would keep denying and calling them liars.
ReplyDeleteEven some groups before had different figures showing in Gaon and Hanteo, 10CM for one, an indie K-band. But none of them has been accused like this. Well, probably because CNBLUE is against a big group so this happened. I wouldn't know the truth but people should check CNBLUE's previous figures. it's not like selling this much is totally new to them. They've sold as much in their previous albums but no accusations like this. All their albums has reach 100K mark. And true, they have more international fans than Korean fans but their K- fanbase is very stable. Plus, the song is doing well digitally too, public us taking notice too.
ReplyDeleteI just feel bad for CNBLUE especially for Yonghwa. His talent can't be measured by those music show wins. I'd rather them not win that be caught up with this.
P.S to those discrediting their Music bank win because of this: CNBLUE had better digital sales last week which makes up 60% of the total score+ broadcast points from all the media attention/coverage. They are #1 in Melon Search last week.
i thought 4minute is already ended long time ago....i'm not haters but we all know how korean dont see 4minute except for hyuna....
ReplyDeletein 2012 their Gaon> Hanteo, and the real source mistaken that and did Gaon released their exact number in last week yet to people believe this that faster, cnblue can win with broadcast point only they dont need album sale, when that person who created this excuse already silly mistaken their 2012 sales, i instantly think this is bullshit and butthurt sone spread this everywhere how ashame
ReplyDeleteMelon search as the search in portals like Nate and Naver count as broadcast points.
ReplyDeleteThey have a clean imagine since that happened, that song wans't even composed by any of the members, it was an outsiders work. Since then they have work so much to clean themselves from that.
ReplyDeletesnsd fans just pressed they lost to cnblue smh
ReplyDeletethen where is Jaejoong? CJes is buyback? how you will explain 10cm and Jangkiha who also have bigger sale on hanteo then gaon in 2011, indie band like that do you believe they buyback? they dont even promote their song, Kim dongryul, lee seung gi, Jaypark then all of them is buyback too? Nell is buyback too in 2012 i check they sold better in hanteo?
ReplyDeletethis person who made this excuse is even mistaken cnblue 2012 gaon sale and but netizen buzz fix it and shown how they actually still sold better in Gaon then Hanteo, stupid...
I understand broadcast points for shows that the group in them for their promotion, what i am sick of is the drama broadcast points... the heck...
ReplyDeleteI was trying recall their 3rd mini album title track when you said to look at their previous album, I couldn't remember their comeback from 2012. Did CNBlue made any hit since "Loner" though? I heard more about their drama than songs these days. Funny, you mentioned #1 in Melon Search, not sale.
ReplyDelete2AM and Sistar is 9800 and 9500, check first before comment
ReplyDeleteThe album is really good but this news is disappointing.
ReplyDeleteJJ's mini-album fell off the Gaon chart because all his albums sold out. Cjes stated that 20,000 more will be available soon.
ReplyDeleteDid FT ISland deserved that GDA award...
ReplyDeleteJaejoong has a shortage of stocks after his first week. Because Gaon uses shipment subtract returns. The number they have on their site is the number out on the market, sold somewhere, in stores, oversea stores. Jaejoong probably sold all of his last week. At least 20k were sold in JP that is counted towards Gaon, but not on Hanteo. Hanteo counted actual number that is sold to customers. It is most accurate to go buy Hanteo number. However, there are circumstances where some stores in JP, or oversea don't count towards Hanteo. If you want to help your bias when buying album, look for stores that listed that they do count towards Hanteo and Gaon.
ReplyDeleteI think there are lots of company in SK who are doing this, they are just not caught yet
ReplyDeleteIt's sad that Companies tend to do something like this just to put their artist on Top/to get more recognition. I'm saying this in general.
ReplyDeleteWhere's the Popularity<<<Quality now?
i dont defend FNC, but most of kpop fans is stupid and lazy they will never tried search the fact, this one is statement not a fact it written on pann nate who was like a yahoo answer not written on official article, this is only lame excuse, international fans mostly stupid and will believe anything
ReplyDeleteYes, I thought it was a fancam too turns out it is a link to this pann post.
ReplyDeleteWell it can't be help now, news spread like wildfire.
ReplyDeleteThis is how industry works.
I didn't fuss over CNBLUE's winning on music bank even when I noticed the weird scoring because I truly think they produce good music thus they deserve to win. but if FNC really cheated ... wow. just wow.
ReplyDeletethat why i help here, they will fine in korea because this one from pann nate, korean now what are that
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ReplyDeleteI think CJES is buying back jaejoong albums
ReplyDelete@nightingale_ how about the same reason for cnblue?
ReplyDeleteWell this show's that they're being EXTRA careful not to be caught red-handed not like FNC.
ReplyDeleteNot only a fancam...they used Terms like CNBLUE photos and something about their parents to make people click the link
ReplyDeleteThey did comeback last year with Hey You, it managed to top Gaon on its first week but didn't enjoy the longevity that their other tracks did. Intuition is their best selling track yet digitally speaking. They won triple crowns for that. #1 in Gaon monthly in 2011. #11 in Gaon Annual Chart 2012. First Step was in Top 10 Gaon Physical Album Chart too. I'm a Loner and Love also did well digitally, that's why they were tagged super rookies. All their albums surpassed 100K mark. Albums from 2010 and 2011 is still charting in Gaon in 2012. Ear Fun (2012) had 122K. They promoted for less than 4 weeks for that mini.
ReplyDeleteHAHAHAHA
ReplyDeleteI GUESS YG IS MANIPULATION DIGITAL CHART FOR 2NE1 AND BIG BANG
ReplyDeletehe should be no.1 on gaon then, ah.. I think the correct one is SM buying back snsd albums...since they already did that with EXO..lolol
ReplyDeleteBut it was right about pointing out the 500 copies at 10 AM though. I don't hate CNBLUE nor am butthurt about SNSD's loss today on Music Bank but I do not support FNC's wrongdoing at all.
ReplyDeleteI agree its pretty crazy...but seriously their song was really good...better than SNSD's. And they need to make a living...so whatever.
ReplyDeleteSones' fault or not, it can't be denied that FNC DID buyback CNB's album. ._.
ReplyDeleteTHAT DOESN'T GO WELL WITH THE IMAGE OF SM.REMeMBER THAT PEOPLe CALL SM " CHEAP". Cheap companies don't buy back their albums xd
ReplyDeleteTHIS NEWS ISN't FROM KOREAN OFFICIAL ARTICLE IS FROM PANN NATE WHO LIKE A YAHOO ANSWER THIS IS STATEMENT NOT ACTUAL FACT HAPPEN
ReplyDeleteabsolutly, it' depends how powerful and profesional those company doing buying back lol
ReplyDeletethey may buyback too
ReplyDeleteit's snsd 4th week and Jaejoong's 2nd week sales ...did you not notice that ?
ReplyDeletesnsd whole sales for all 4 weeks are more than Jaejoong's 2 weeks sales so year they would still beat him in total .
None of us can make a difference now, unless FNC will be the one to clear this thing up.
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